Sakthisagar
10-26 04:04 PM
Another news making. Advice to all of Youngster Indians and Indians here by the India's outsourcing chop shop IT messihah Infosys Chief.
Don't look at IT industry as means to settle abroad: Narayana Murthy - The Economic Times (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/ites/Dont-look-at-IT-industry-as-means-to-settle-abroad-Murthy/articleshow/6815589.cms)
Don't look at IT industry as means to settle abroad: Narayana Murthy - The Economic Times (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/ites/Dont-look-at-IT-industry-as-means-to-settle-abroad-Murthy/articleshow/6815589.cms)
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peacock
07-19 10:33 AM
Hi
You can skip skin test and just straight away get a Xray done.
Also if its not possible to come here before Aug 15th ,then it will be very useful if she carries her titre's of all the required immunisations from an uscis certified physician in India and shows it to the civil surgeon here. Talk to the civil surgeon in person here and check with him if he will be willing to accept lab results from India .
You can skip skin test and just straight away get a Xray done.
Also if its not possible to come here before Aug 15th ,then it will be very useful if she carries her titre's of all the required immunisations from an uscis certified physician in India and shows it to the civil surgeon here. Talk to the civil surgeon in person here and check with him if he will be willing to accept lab results from India .
mirage
03-11 04:59 PM
You're right, the point I was making is the real intention of these Senators...When you want to scr.ew somebody you ask questions that are hard and mostly unanswerable....Take this example, Look at the requirement that Hyderabad Consulate has put up for H1B Visa Stamping, it sounds like they are saying don't you dare!!!Find the pdf with the questions he asked and compare to the answers they gave.
compare that with what happened with visa bulletin fiasco.
I think it was Zoe lofgren who sent a letter with very pointed questions to USCIS. I don't believe they made public their answer or if they answered it at all; and instead of fighting with Senator they reversed course and opened up the visa dates again. (A big part of me thinks that it was pure financial decision. USCIS was going to have fee increase and they realized that they would lose a lot of money but after they did their analysis; they realized their breakeven point was each candidate renewing ead/ap once and they would break even. They would even come out further ahead by allowing the applications because people would be renewing at least three times whereas in old fee structure it was only built in for one renewal).
compare that with what happened with visa bulletin fiasco.
I think it was Zoe lofgren who sent a letter with very pointed questions to USCIS. I don't believe they made public their answer or if they answered it at all; and instead of fighting with Senator they reversed course and opened up the visa dates again. (A big part of me thinks that it was pure financial decision. USCIS was going to have fee increase and they realized that they would lose a lot of money but after they did their analysis; they realized their breakeven point was each candidate renewing ead/ap once and they would break even. They would even come out further ahead by allowing the applications because people would be renewing at least three times whereas in old fee structure it was only built in for one renewal).
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bobzibub
02-01 02:25 PM
OK, they'll raise the fees (I can live with that). But how do we improve the chances of better services?
USCIS is asking for comments....If IV would be so kind as to submit comments for the raising of the fees. I humbly throw these out for discussion:
Accept the fee increases providing:
1) That USCIS propose public standards of reducing processing times to 30 days+10 day security check.. Automatically produce an EAD if it takes longer. Hey. We're all still in the country whether the process succeeds or not right? We would just appeal, submit more info or beat it until it's done. Who's any safer?
2) That RFEs not be used to manage work levels. Plus they ought not to reset the 90 day clock to zero if they issue one. That is ridiculous and unheard of.
3) That they simplifiy applications (a la Canada) so that "lay persons" can (carefully) fill in the forms. Lawyers not required.
4) That the USCIS abide by the laws. Especially regarding FBI name checking. We have a duty to follow the law. I'm careful to do so. The government should be careful to do so as well.. Call me a radical.
5) That they publish proposals to stream line the process with modern business methods and concrete goals. The increases should be tied to fulfilling stated goals of improvements of service. Otherwise they roll back. Have a 3rd (independent) party decide if the goals have been met in three years.
If we tax payers are giving them extraordinary increases in fees, we should at least expect some meaningful process improvements. Simply claiming that they need-the-cash-for-process-improvements is not sufficient. What is to prevent them from using the money to give everyone big raises and bonuses and a nice fancy new office, and big fancy new computers if they're going to continue to use paper and use the computers to access rickety old systems with terminal emulators? I'd love to deal with happy USCIS employees, but I'd love it even more if I had to deal efficient USCIS employees. (Give them the tools and they'll be happier!)
USCIS is asking for comments....If IV would be so kind as to submit comments for the raising of the fees. I humbly throw these out for discussion:
Accept the fee increases providing:
1) That USCIS propose public standards of reducing processing times to 30 days+10 day security check.. Automatically produce an EAD if it takes longer. Hey. We're all still in the country whether the process succeeds or not right? We would just appeal, submit more info or beat it until it's done. Who's any safer?
2) That RFEs not be used to manage work levels. Plus they ought not to reset the 90 day clock to zero if they issue one. That is ridiculous and unheard of.
3) That they simplifiy applications (a la Canada) so that "lay persons" can (carefully) fill in the forms. Lawyers not required.
4) That the USCIS abide by the laws. Especially regarding FBI name checking. We have a duty to follow the law. I'm careful to do so. The government should be careful to do so as well.. Call me a radical.
5) That they publish proposals to stream line the process with modern business methods and concrete goals. The increases should be tied to fulfilling stated goals of improvements of service. Otherwise they roll back. Have a 3rd (independent) party decide if the goals have been met in three years.
If we tax payers are giving them extraordinary increases in fees, we should at least expect some meaningful process improvements. Simply claiming that they need-the-cash-for-process-improvements is not sufficient. What is to prevent them from using the money to give everyone big raises and bonuses and a nice fancy new office, and big fancy new computers if they're going to continue to use paper and use the computers to access rickety old systems with terminal emulators? I'd love to deal with happy USCIS employees, but I'd love it even more if I had to deal efficient USCIS employees. (Give them the tools and they'll be happier!)
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doggy
07-21 02:17 PM
doggy, (what a name) u just signed-up and this is your first post..... r u an agent of anti-immigrant website doing their media campaign :cool:
:-)
If I was anti immigrant, why would I post the information about the "Secret meeting of the Antis" in this forum?
I suggest people here join the conference call and post back the findings. I'll be a little busy around that time.
:D
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If I was anti immigrant, why would I post the information about the "Secret meeting of the Antis" in this forum?
I suggest people here join the conference call and post back the findings. I'll be a little busy around that time.
:D
alterego
11-02 01:14 PM
Eb3I may nudge forward a little bit. Sadly that won't be very helpful to most folks on this board. Visa recapture is the only thing that can help near term. In the interim, administrative fixes, rule clarifications, USCIS efficiencies in application processings, Data transparency, though not glamorous victories as say visa recapture. Nonetheless make the path somewhat more comfortable and predictable.
EB3ROW may move also.
The movement of EB2I will be quite revealing for me. If there is quarterly spillover(which under current rules should be the case) then we might see some forward movement or at the very minimum the dates should stay put. However if there is no quarterly spillover, then with the approvals in EB2 recently, they will be hard pressed not to move dates backward somewhat.
EB3ROW may move also.
The movement of EB2I will be quite revealing for me. If there is quarterly spillover(which under current rules should be the case) then we might see some forward movement or at the very minimum the dates should stay put. However if there is no quarterly spillover, then with the approvals in EB2 recently, they will be hard pressed not to move dates backward somewhat.
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VMH_GC
07-10 08:16 PM
I think we should brought up this to indian government and use government powers to pressure CNN in india to take up this matter with Mr. Turner.
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reddymjm
05-05 04:33 PM
Update: My lawyer just got back to me on this. Since I wanted the interfiling in such a way that I can maintain old PD ( July 2003 based - EB3 filing - 485 filed under this) with new application category EB2 (new application - June 2006 PD), lawyer told me that it is not possible. Once I interfile my new application, end effect will be having my 485 based on EB2- with new priority date (June 2006). So at this moment I have 2 choices...
1) Wait out till July 2003 under EB3-India become current
2) If at all EB3-India is not moving at all or July 2003 does not become current for EB3 but meanwhile if EB2-India cutoff date crosses June 2006 then file interfiling.
EB3 Jul 03 will be an easy target than EB2 Jun 2006 in my opinion. If you are lucky it could be before the year end or early next year. And if you are too lucky it could be before Oct 08.
1) Wait out till July 2003 under EB3-India become current
2) If at all EB3-India is not moving at all or July 2003 does not become current for EB3 but meanwhile if EB2-India cutoff date crosses June 2006 then file interfiling.
EB3 Jul 03 will be an easy target than EB2 Jun 2006 in my opinion. If you are lucky it could be before the year end or early next year. And if you are too lucky it could be before Oct 08.
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raysaikat
04-10 01:41 AM
^^This is not gonna happen... and even if it did....well I guess the companies will finally take notice when there are no new people to hire and fire and their bottom lines are hit with permanent hires for every small and odd project......guess what that they will do then....outsource more work to other countries......:)
Good or bad, Virtue or Vice, companies simply can't hire permanent employees with full 'American' benefits for short-term projects....this where the consulting leeches come in.....its all supply and demand man....
And what makes you think that software consultancies cannot be run without H1-B visas?
Good or bad, Virtue or Vice, companies simply can't hire permanent employees with full 'American' benefits for short-term projects....this where the consulting leeches come in.....its all supply and demand man....
And what makes you think that software consultancies cannot be run without H1-B visas?
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prioritydate
07-25 10:50 AM
I know before you start blaming me for this thread, as it is of no use, I would like to point out that most of you must be experiencing the same thing. I didn't care much for Visa bulletin until it became current for EB2 two weeks back. As the time progress, I am doing all sorts of things, like checking USCIS case status, and checking everything that can possibly give me some information. I know that it is waste of time, I know it is not good for health, I know that I will get GC when time comes, but still, my mind is tricking me to think about it. I checked all these forums until 2A.M last night. I am not having enough sleep. I am waiting for a opportunity to get rid of my desi employer. I am really getting frustrated (I am not saying that I have been waiting for GC approval desperately). I just want to share my frustration and what I have been going through. I know I am in a better position than most of other people whose priority date is not even current. I wish they never dangled a carrot in front of me. I am not sure if they disappoint me next month, but I am still keeping my hopes. Hopefully, I would get over this and have enough sleep from today.
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gdhiren
08-29 10:41 AM
I too am receiving a lot of these questions on about pick-ups/ drop-offs. Can you please start a thread for that purpose?
Some people will be arriving on the day of rally and returning right after the rally. If something can be done to pick them up/ drop them off, please let us know. Thanks!
Ok, the thread title has been changed to include the transportation as well.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12565
Some people will be arriving on the day of rally and returning right after the rally. If something can be done to pick them up/ drop them off, please let us know. Thanks!
Ok, the thread title has been changed to include the transportation as well.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12565
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thomachan72
05-17 10:52 AM
Incidently the murthy deletes all your posts if you mention anything about immigrationvoice.com or immigration-law etc. May be they fear they will loose the business!!! Who will give them business anyway:D :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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eb2waiter
05-22 03:26 PM
with all due appreciation to the work done by IV, this suggesstion is not thought out.
You just cannot run away from your past. For example your existing applications to USCIS will have your india/<country> passport nos. There are many ways they can trace you.
So growing a moustache etc, or dressing like a mexican will not help.
You just cannot run away from your past. For example your existing applications to USCIS will have your india/<country> passport nos. There are many ways they can trace you.
So growing a moustache etc, or dressing like a mexican will not help.
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pete
12-13 04:12 PM
What makes you this guys advocate?
A lot of us can do and will do many things. Your argument does not stand ground. I dont ahave anything against this guy. I have a problem with the system that permits this activity. Because its not fair. By the way I seriously doubt this happens to people in my situation. This is typical of "desi consultant companies". So once again pontiff i dont have a grudge against this guy but the system that allows this to take place.
A lot of us can do and will do many things. Your argument does not stand ground. I dont ahave anything against this guy. I have a problem with the system that permits this activity. Because its not fair. By the way I seriously doubt this happens to people in my situation. This is typical of "desi consultant companies". So once again pontiff i dont have a grudge against this guy but the system that allows this to take place.
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Googler
02-28 04:07 PM
The fine print matters as always:
"A portion of these cases are both outside normal processing times and have an FBI name check that has been pending for more than 180 days."
They'll define normal processing times in some weaselly way of course -- like that random date they show in the processing time charts. It is not the normative 6 months timeframe, since the statement implies that an application that has a current PD and has been pending for 180 days (cos its name check is pending for 180 days presumably the application has been pending 180 days) can be "within normal processing times."
So current PD + 180 day pending namecheck = 47K.
And current PD + 180 pending namecheck + outside "normal processing times" = 10K.
The 10K is from the Ron Gotcher post on Imminfo (http://immigration-information.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14035&postcount=1).
Note that the TSC processing date for EB I-485 moved back to April from May 24, 2007. So the flood of applicants from June are certainly not "within normal processing times" even if they fell out of the BECs and have an early PD, and have a namecheck pending >180 days.
"A portion of these cases are both outside normal processing times and have an FBI name check that has been pending for more than 180 days."
They'll define normal processing times in some weaselly way of course -- like that random date they show in the processing time charts. It is not the normative 6 months timeframe, since the statement implies that an application that has a current PD and has been pending for 180 days (cos its name check is pending for 180 days presumably the application has been pending 180 days) can be "within normal processing times."
So current PD + 180 day pending namecheck = 47K.
And current PD + 180 pending namecheck + outside "normal processing times" = 10K.
The 10K is from the Ron Gotcher post on Imminfo (http://immigration-information.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14035&postcount=1).
Note that the TSC processing date for EB I-485 moved back to April from May 24, 2007. So the flood of applicants from June are certainly not "within normal processing times" even if they fell out of the BECs and have an early PD, and have a namecheck pending >180 days.
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Ram_C
10-09 07:08 PM
Hi,
I filed I485 and my I140 got cleared. My employer is not willing to give my Approved I140. I am not sure why he is holding my I140. I dont have have any idea to change job at this time.
I am working with everest technologies there web site address is www.everesttechinc.com.
I hope this is the right place to share over view and ideas thats the reason i am posting my questions here.
1) Do we really required I140
2) Is any one here working with everest technologies who is having same problem.
I-140 is employer’s property and it is not mandatory to share it with employee, however you can always request a copy of approval notice and in most cases employer will provide one. It is always advisable to have a copy of approval notice (just in case you want to port it to an other job/employer etc) in later stages of your green card process.
I filed I485 and my I140 got cleared. My employer is not willing to give my Approved I140. I am not sure why he is holding my I140. I dont have have any idea to change job at this time.
I am working with everest technologies there web site address is www.everesttechinc.com.
I hope this is the right place to share over view and ideas thats the reason i am posting my questions here.
1) Do we really required I140
2) Is any one here working with everest technologies who is having same problem.
I-140 is employer’s property and it is not mandatory to share it with employee, however you can always request a copy of approval notice and in most cases employer will provide one. It is always advisable to have a copy of approval notice (just in case you want to port it to an other job/employer etc) in later stages of your green card process.
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gk_2000
07-29 01:29 PM
asylum - you are very funny
lottery - acctualy they have a country limit
green card - :confused:
undocumented - we are talking about legal immigration (for gk_2000 also)
explain your logic please...........the limits are not based on Asian, African, Indian,etc........please check the dictionary to find out what it means racism.
Thanks
It seems from your posts, the adage would apply to you: "You CANT wake up a man who is pretending to sleep". I will try not to pay any more attention to you
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It seems from your posts, the adage would apply to you: "You CANT wake up a man who is pretending to sleep". I will try not to pay any more attention to you
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guy03062
04-12 12:19 PM
I totally agree with bkarnik.
I read somewhere long time back that allowing to file EAD/AP (while visa not available or after I-140 is approved) is USCIS policy issue, not by law. Immigration lawyers may know this but this is absolutely opposite to their interest - they may wish people continue filing H-1 multiple times!!
So instead of using our own logic/interpretation, we should contact USCIS in this regard! In any case, we do not have to loose anything! In worst case, we will be at the point where we are now. If it really works then it would give real temp relief to lots of people until immigration law passes (when??).
Werc:
Thanks for your post. However, as per my original post, could you indicate the section where in the INA does it mention when employment authorization can be given? In fact, the first line in the in the paper in the link included by Bee in his post, clearly mentions that "...nowhere in the statutes or regulations, is there a reference to a work permit" (i.e. an EAD as clarified later in the document).
As you mention later in your post, yes it is hard to get something from USCIS, but should we shy away from something just because it is hard? Also, as the same document (posted by BEE) mentions, the reasons for issuing an EAD are varied.
But let us take the specific case you mentioned, a student can work up to 12 months after his graduation. This time frame is provided for multiple reasons, the main one being to give the student to find employment in his related field of education and for the employer to evaluate him and process his adjustment of status. Without the EAD, the student would have to find employment and adjust his status within 2 months or be out of status. BUT the EAD also provides the student the choice of changing employers without losing his status.
Now, coming to the issue of EAD after I-140 or after I-485...By submitting the I-140 the employer is not only asking the USCIS to approve the need (as certified by the DOL) of a alien as a permanent worker, the employer is also providing the USCIS with particulars of the alien who will be hired. Therefore, by approving the I-140, the USCIS is not only approving the need of the employer, it is also approving the alien for the job. This is also supported by the fact that the USCIS allows concurrent filing of I-140 and I-485 if the priority date is current for that particular country/category. Hence, an EAD after I-140 not only allows the employer to hire an alien already in the company, it also allows the alien who might be working for an employer other than the one which applied for the I-140 to switch jobs, without worrying about being out-of-status, if he is very close to finishing his 6years on an H1B. For an alien who is outside the country when his I-140 is approved (very rare case, but possible), he can enter the US on an H1B sponsored by the petitioning employer and then apply for an EAD for himself and his dependents while waiting for the visa number to be available and file his I-485. BUT the EAD also gives the alien the chance to find another willing employer within 6 months for similar job descriptions and within the same geographic area without being out of status and preserve the priority date rather than worry about losing his status if something unfortunate happens to the petitioning employer (ENRON, MCI, etc.)
Whether, this will be successful or not is another question. But unless you try you can never be sure. Before 1969, a man on the moon was an impossibility but it happened :) Changing the law is the NEED of the day and we should be pursuing it to the full extent of our capabilities for LONG term relief. But, asking the agencies who interpret the existing laws and apply them to reconsider will not and should not in any way hamper our efforts in this. Rather this is something that is a SHORT term relief that in no way goes against the word of the law or against the intent of Congress when it passed the law.
Well, since this has been an long post, I will call it my 4 cents.:D Thoughts, comments and brickbats are, as usual, welcome.
I read somewhere long time back that allowing to file EAD/AP (while visa not available or after I-140 is approved) is USCIS policy issue, not by law. Immigration lawyers may know this but this is absolutely opposite to their interest - they may wish people continue filing H-1 multiple times!!
So instead of using our own logic/interpretation, we should contact USCIS in this regard! In any case, we do not have to loose anything! In worst case, we will be at the point where we are now. If it really works then it would give real temp relief to lots of people until immigration law passes (when??).
Werc:
Thanks for your post. However, as per my original post, could you indicate the section where in the INA does it mention when employment authorization can be given? In fact, the first line in the in the paper in the link included by Bee in his post, clearly mentions that "...nowhere in the statutes or regulations, is there a reference to a work permit" (i.e. an EAD as clarified later in the document).
As you mention later in your post, yes it is hard to get something from USCIS, but should we shy away from something just because it is hard? Also, as the same document (posted by BEE) mentions, the reasons for issuing an EAD are varied.
But let us take the specific case you mentioned, a student can work up to 12 months after his graduation. This time frame is provided for multiple reasons, the main one being to give the student to find employment in his related field of education and for the employer to evaluate him and process his adjustment of status. Without the EAD, the student would have to find employment and adjust his status within 2 months or be out of status. BUT the EAD also provides the student the choice of changing employers without losing his status.
Now, coming to the issue of EAD after I-140 or after I-485...By submitting the I-140 the employer is not only asking the USCIS to approve the need (as certified by the DOL) of a alien as a permanent worker, the employer is also providing the USCIS with particulars of the alien who will be hired. Therefore, by approving the I-140, the USCIS is not only approving the need of the employer, it is also approving the alien for the job. This is also supported by the fact that the USCIS allows concurrent filing of I-140 and I-485 if the priority date is current for that particular country/category. Hence, an EAD after I-140 not only allows the employer to hire an alien already in the company, it also allows the alien who might be working for an employer other than the one which applied for the I-140 to switch jobs, without worrying about being out-of-status, if he is very close to finishing his 6years on an H1B. For an alien who is outside the country when his I-140 is approved (very rare case, but possible), he can enter the US on an H1B sponsored by the petitioning employer and then apply for an EAD for himself and his dependents while waiting for the visa number to be available and file his I-485. BUT the EAD also gives the alien the chance to find another willing employer within 6 months for similar job descriptions and within the same geographic area without being out of status and preserve the priority date rather than worry about losing his status if something unfortunate happens to the petitioning employer (ENRON, MCI, etc.)
Whether, this will be successful or not is another question. But unless you try you can never be sure. Before 1969, a man on the moon was an impossibility but it happened :) Changing the law is the NEED of the day and we should be pursuing it to the full extent of our capabilities for LONG term relief. But, asking the agencies who interpret the existing laws and apply them to reconsider will not and should not in any way hamper our efforts in this. Rather this is something that is a SHORT term relief that in no way goes against the word of the law or against the intent of Congress when it passed the law.
Well, since this has been an long post, I will call it my 4 cents.:D Thoughts, comments and brickbats are, as usual, welcome.
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yabadaba
05-22 03:02 PM
I wonder what our children and grandchildren will learn from all these. When they grow up and know that their parents had to go through this mess while waiting to be accepted legally for xxxx number of years and some people got the "grand reward" of being illegal for many years!! These CIRcus operators will be responsible for the loss of "very little" moral left in this country. GOD BLESS AMERICA.
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angelfire76
08-10 01:00 PM
The best thing DOL did was to get rid of Labor Subs. Period.
Why:
1. I've paid Social Security taxes + Medicare + Income taxes longer than people who've come here in 2006 and used LS. If I don't get GC (frustration due to retrogression), aren't these guys enjoying (or going to enjoy) benefits that I've paid for, for a longer time.
2. It's really no different than the system in India (or what used to be)for getting everything from telephone, passport etc. where a select few jump ahead in line by either knowing somebody or paying somebody. Isn't that one of the reasons a lot of us decided to move to the US for better(fairer?) opportunities.
3. Isn't this very similar to the falsifying of experience people do to get better positions in a company?
4. Yes, I do have a problem if after slogging my butt off to get a Ph.d, somebody with 3 yrs + 2yr of NIIT comes in through desi consultancy and gets far ahead in line than me. Now before somebody says NIW+ EB1, let me tell you that it's not that easy to get it in the Computer Sciences.
Anyway, having said that it's no time to be divided, but to present an unified front in getting legislation passed that eliminates exactly this kind of discussion. Atleast 20 yrs down the line when we talk about arranging marriages between our children, let how we got GC be a deciding factor in who's got the bigger status :D
Why:
1. I've paid Social Security taxes + Medicare + Income taxes longer than people who've come here in 2006 and used LS. If I don't get GC (frustration due to retrogression), aren't these guys enjoying (or going to enjoy) benefits that I've paid for, for a longer time.
2. It's really no different than the system in India (or what used to be)for getting everything from telephone, passport etc. where a select few jump ahead in line by either knowing somebody or paying somebody. Isn't that one of the reasons a lot of us decided to move to the US for better(fairer?) opportunities.
3. Isn't this very similar to the falsifying of experience people do to get better positions in a company?
4. Yes, I do have a problem if after slogging my butt off to get a Ph.d, somebody with 3 yrs + 2yr of NIIT comes in through desi consultancy and gets far ahead in line than me. Now before somebody says NIW+ EB1, let me tell you that it's not that easy to get it in the Computer Sciences.
Anyway, having said that it's no time to be divided, but to present an unified front in getting legislation passed that eliminates exactly this kind of discussion. Atleast 20 yrs down the line when we talk about arranging marriages between our children, let how we got GC be a deciding factor in who's got the bigger status :D
pcs
07-10 08:36 AM
We can keep sending emails / call the CNN President.
He is already on the defensive..
Read this....
CNN's Immigration Problem
Is Dobbs the exception�or the rule?
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2867
He is already on the defensive..
Read this....
CNN's Immigration Problem
Is Dobbs the exception�or the rule?
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2867