lonedesi
06-01 10:09 PM
Is there anything one can do to speed up the labor processing times at Atlanta PERM processing center? They seem to have caught the flu from their Grand daddy(BEC) these days. They are taking for ever to process applications and no one seems to notice it, while their sister processing center in Chicago has average processing time of 2 weeks. What can one do to fix this problem? Please advise.
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forever_waiting
01-12 06:07 PM
You are laying your own immaturity out there by rambling on and on about vague facts and statements only to make the same point again and again - that you think IV does not represent EB3. Why dont you state that one line and save us the trouble of reading your meaningless drivel??
yes, this rant is oft repeated by around 5-6 members who do NOT represent the thousands of EB folks (EB2 AND EB3) who are affected by this mess.
So before you start one of your long drawn essays again, step back and THINK (which you do not seem to be doing at all..or are not capable of doing) about whether you are contributing even one bit to solving the problem or trying to add to the problem. we can do a lot more if we spend less time trying to drill sense into wayward people like you.
Think about -
1) how many lawmakers you have met till date to resolve the EB3 problem (which you accuse IV of not solving). Have you asked a lawmaker while per country limits cannot be removed....an act which will remove all EB3 backlog??
2) how many IV advocacy events have you attended?
Yes forever_waiting it is surprising and shocking to see how a discussion on an EB Bill which will never see the light of the day has degenerated into an oft-repeated rant
By using the keyword
oft-repeated (i will ignore the word rant because only an immature mind will call the other side of a discussion as rant) it
would imply that many EB3 members have raised the same concern in this forum before and i am not the first and believe me when i say this i will not be the last also. So that would mean a whole bunch of people (remember eb3 are 50 k and eb2 are 12k) have the same concern and they have raised the same concern in this same forum so that would mean IV is aware of the concern.
Now what has
IV done about it ??
Meeting a lawmaker with the support of IV behind you is not a reflection of a big effort on your side. The power behind that is IV. Now for me or any other EB3 to meet a law maker is not something i would consider an effort since EB3 are willing to put the same effort which you are putting only if they believein what they are doing. To believe a person needs to feel that they are working for a cause that will impact their situation. Sadly this is missing and that is why EB3 people are cool about the whole meet the law maker process
Regarding the statement I repeat the IV provisions which are for ALL EB and not any specific category/country. THe problem with EB3 is the with the way the EB system/inventory is set-up. What specific steps has IV articulated to resolve the specific issue of EB3
By your own definition this is a chronic issue and what we are taught is that any issue which is chronic needs to be redressed and when it is not it becomes a big issue which cannot be handled
As always, there is the name calling stating that EB3 people aarmchair critics and winers but you are part of a community and you have issues you will air your greviences in the same community not to some one who has no idea or does notcare about it
What is really suprising and shocking is that in EB community itself EB2 does not care to listen and provide and open discussion about EB3 issues. Now according to me that is shocking
BTW i commend your effort of meeting the law maker but if you introspect the only reason you are making an effort is because you believe your efforts will bear fruit in the form of a GC soon (I believe you are EB2 with a priority date of Apr 08)
yes, this rant is oft repeated by around 5-6 members who do NOT represent the thousands of EB folks (EB2 AND EB3) who are affected by this mess.
So before you start one of your long drawn essays again, step back and THINK (which you do not seem to be doing at all..or are not capable of doing) about whether you are contributing even one bit to solving the problem or trying to add to the problem. we can do a lot more if we spend less time trying to drill sense into wayward people like you.
Think about -
1) how many lawmakers you have met till date to resolve the EB3 problem (which you accuse IV of not solving). Have you asked a lawmaker while per country limits cannot be removed....an act which will remove all EB3 backlog??
2) how many IV advocacy events have you attended?
Yes forever_waiting it is surprising and shocking to see how a discussion on an EB Bill which will never see the light of the day has degenerated into an oft-repeated rant
By using the keyword
oft-repeated (i will ignore the word rant because only an immature mind will call the other side of a discussion as rant) it
would imply that many EB3 members have raised the same concern in this forum before and i am not the first and believe me when i say this i will not be the last also. So that would mean a whole bunch of people (remember eb3 are 50 k and eb2 are 12k) have the same concern and they have raised the same concern in this same forum so that would mean IV is aware of the concern.
Now what has
IV done about it ??
Meeting a lawmaker with the support of IV behind you is not a reflection of a big effort on your side. The power behind that is IV. Now for me or any other EB3 to meet a law maker is not something i would consider an effort since EB3 are willing to put the same effort which you are putting only if they believein what they are doing. To believe a person needs to feel that they are working for a cause that will impact their situation. Sadly this is missing and that is why EB3 people are cool about the whole meet the law maker process
Regarding the statement I repeat the IV provisions which are for ALL EB and not any specific category/country. THe problem with EB3 is the with the way the EB system/inventory is set-up. What specific steps has IV articulated to resolve the specific issue of EB3
By your own definition this is a chronic issue and what we are taught is that any issue which is chronic needs to be redressed and when it is not it becomes a big issue which cannot be handled
As always, there is the name calling stating that EB3 people aarmchair critics and winers but you are part of a community and you have issues you will air your greviences in the same community not to some one who has no idea or does notcare about it
What is really suprising and shocking is that in EB community itself EB2 does not care to listen and provide and open discussion about EB3 issues. Now according to me that is shocking
BTW i commend your effort of meeting the law maker but if you introspect the only reason you are making an effort is because you believe your efforts will bear fruit in the form of a GC soon (I believe you are EB2 with a priority date of Apr 08)
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ram112
09-02 07:35 PM
Folks,
I am a passive IV listener and this is my first post. I was not expecting my GC to be approved for atleast a year since my priority date was Dec 04 and this is the first time I am current. Also, I applied for I-485 only last year in Sept 2008. So it was unlikely they will look at my case since there were people before me from 2007. However as random as they are, I got the e-mail today that they ordered the production card for me. I am EB-2 and my case was st forward though, no RFE's ever and I have not changed job as I am pretty happy where I am. Anyways, all the best to the folks waiting.
Thanks,
Ramesh
I am a passive IV listener and this is my first post. I was not expecting my GC to be approved for atleast a year since my priority date was Dec 04 and this is the first time I am current. Also, I applied for I-485 only last year in Sept 2008. So it was unlikely they will look at my case since there were people before me from 2007. However as random as they are, I got the e-mail today that they ordered the production card for me. I am EB-2 and my case was st forward though, no RFE's ever and I have not changed job as I am pretty happy where I am. Anyways, all the best to the folks waiting.
Thanks,
Ramesh
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gc_in_30_yrs
09-14 03:31 PM
Can we get all these in any hospital or clinic or it has to be by the ones approved by USCIS? What is the cost associated to this? The health insurance will cover these?
gc_maine2
06-28 07:57 PM
logiclife, i like this one "And now suddenly USCIS is acting like an undocumented worker ignoring the laws and regulations" :) :)
So basically USCIS is in violation of regula
tion for not accepting 485 petitions for EB3-other worker category even though those petitions are current as per June Bulletin issued in May.
I hope USCIS atleast follows the regulations and laws. Coz we just finished with an 18 month debate in the Senate today on law-abiding done by immigrants. And now suddenly USCIS is acting like an undocumented worker ignoring the laws and regulations.
So basically USCIS is in violation of regula
tion for not accepting 485 petitions for EB3-other worker category even though those petitions are current as per June Bulletin issued in May.
I hope USCIS atleast follows the regulations and laws. Coz we just finished with an 18 month debate in the Senate today on law-abiding done by immigrants. And now suddenly USCIS is acting like an undocumented worker ignoring the laws and regulations.
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somegchuh
01-23 06:48 PM
texcan, it is a bit off topic but it is so funny.....
This really captures a lot of what all the "desis" do. Eat a lot of food and watch movies.
Me and my friends joke about it all the time. We try very hard to break from it but its really hard.
On a serious note I agree one should live life to the fullest but I think there is a balance.
Money is not everything but one shouldn't go bankrupt or end up in foreclosure trying to live life to the fullest.
I know those desis who are super savers and will never improve life style and I know those who are always on the edge of bankruptcy because they wanted to live the american dream.
I believe there are always two camps in any group, different view points, ideas and observations.
I firmly believe even if words are harsh from some members they donot mean that bad, or they just simply cant see other's view point.
Over last few year, i have observed something and that bothers me, the point is
"We (Indians) are interesting people, we want to live as an indian in america";
save a lot of money, go home(india) for 15 days ....say bad things about india
and then come here...start saying bad things about america.
I like some points aobut half hearted work from some fellows. I totally agree.
Here is my simply take, if we want to live and compete hapilly, we have to really live in america as an american.
How can an indian who slept all afternoon on weekend, then watched a movie and ate heavy dinnner at night with 5 indian families who all taked about negative things in america; will /can compete with american on monday morning...when this american
got up early on saturday, ran 10 miles ...full of energy....took his/her kids for camping or went on its own, ran /exercised on sunday may be a long trek in woods...he is fresh, ready to work, creative...
I donot think anyone who slept all week/watched movie/talked negative about american society /about america can compete with someone who lived for full weekend.
These are just small observations.
In short, most of us are still living an indian life in america. This will not take us far,
If we want to be happy we got to live as an american in america.
Money is not everything,a big bankbalance will do no good to anyone at age of 65 when you cant move your leg let apart run or play.
I also believe, we (indians) donot give time to ourselves. Ex. husband, wife, kids all together all the time. No good, give time to yourself, do somtihngs togehter and some things seperately, This will give time to observe life as an individual too.
how many indian go out for just all boys groupings, not many. Why??? how bad it can be, when you just go out kick some dust drink beer if you please, atleast releax.
When i started doing it, it was lot of fun.
Same should be with girls, wives, you all should go out and do things with your friends for a change.
same for kids, if your kids want to go camping with school friends, let them go. Let kids live their life. Imaging what your kids talks about weekend, when rest of american kids talk about running in wood, fishing, hunting, mud racing.....????
Just my thoughts and i believe in living life to fullest; and try to live it to fullest too.
This really captures a lot of what all the "desis" do. Eat a lot of food and watch movies.
Me and my friends joke about it all the time. We try very hard to break from it but its really hard.
On a serious note I agree one should live life to the fullest but I think there is a balance.
Money is not everything but one shouldn't go bankrupt or end up in foreclosure trying to live life to the fullest.
I know those desis who are super savers and will never improve life style and I know those who are always on the edge of bankruptcy because they wanted to live the american dream.
I believe there are always two camps in any group, different view points, ideas and observations.
I firmly believe even if words are harsh from some members they donot mean that bad, or they just simply cant see other's view point.
Over last few year, i have observed something and that bothers me, the point is
"We (Indians) are interesting people, we want to live as an indian in america";
save a lot of money, go home(india) for 15 days ....say bad things about india
and then come here...start saying bad things about america.
I like some points aobut half hearted work from some fellows. I totally agree.
Here is my simply take, if we want to live and compete hapilly, we have to really live in america as an american.
How can an indian who slept all afternoon on weekend, then watched a movie and ate heavy dinnner at night with 5 indian families who all taked about negative things in america; will /can compete with american on monday morning...when this american
got up early on saturday, ran 10 miles ...full of energy....took his/her kids for camping or went on its own, ran /exercised on sunday may be a long trek in woods...he is fresh, ready to work, creative...
I donot think anyone who slept all week/watched movie/talked negative about american society /about america can compete with someone who lived for full weekend.
These are just small observations.
In short, most of us are still living an indian life in america. This will not take us far,
If we want to be happy we got to live as an american in america.
Money is not everything,a big bankbalance will do no good to anyone at age of 65 when you cant move your leg let apart run or play.
I also believe, we (indians) donot give time to ourselves. Ex. husband, wife, kids all together all the time. No good, give time to yourself, do somtihngs togehter and some things seperately, This will give time to observe life as an individual too.
how many indian go out for just all boys groupings, not many. Why??? how bad it can be, when you just go out kick some dust drink beer if you please, atleast releax.
When i started doing it, it was lot of fun.
Same should be with girls, wives, you all should go out and do things with your friends for a change.
same for kids, if your kids want to go camping with school friends, let them go. Let kids live their life. Imaging what your kids talks about weekend, when rest of american kids talk about running in wood, fishing, hunting, mud racing.....????
Just my thoughts and i believe in living life to fullest; and try to live it to fullest too.
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Indo-Canadian
08-31 12:34 PM
I am a newbee on this site and looking for expert advice...
What are the chances of getting PERM audited should we apply first week of Sep-2008? Does my Canadian Citizenship of any help once PERM is approved? (Touch wood!)
Thanking you all experts in advance for your reply.
What are the chances of getting PERM audited should we apply first week of Sep-2008? Does my Canadian Citizenship of any help once PERM is approved? (Touch wood!)
Thanking you all experts in advance for your reply.
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LOL123
07-29 03:15 PM
I e-field on June 13th. So it is a little less than 90 days before my current EAD expires.
lol123 and aphilimajan,
when did you e-file ?
I guess the only way is to get an infopass appt on the 91st day .But heard theres no interim EAD .
lol123 and aphilimajan,
when did you e-file ?
I guess the only way is to get an infopass appt on the 91st day .But heard theres no interim EAD .
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akhilmahajan
08-14 05:57 PM
I have my infopass scheduled for the 18th August.
I will let you guys know what happened with my appointment.
Contacting the senator is the next step for me for sure, but i am going to wait till the 87-88th day to do so. So that i cant get the same answer, that ur 90 days have not been over yet.
Thanks for updating us and all the best with ur application.
I will let you guys know what happened with my appointment.
Contacting the senator is the next step for me for sure, but i am going to wait till the 87-88th day to do so. So that i cant get the same answer, that ur 90 days have not been over yet.
Thanks for updating us and all the best with ur application.
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radhay
06-04 02:39 PM
My understanding is that local office would not open a service request. But they could request interim EAD. Since they no longer produce it locally they have to request some service center to issue one.
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desigirl
10-28 09:45 AM
Well it is against the law to employ illegals and this is enforced strictly, so we can forget about tax deduction at source, SS, etc. It will be minuscule. These so called publications are from their supporters which they have numerous of.
Yes, there lies 1/2 the problem. Illegal immigrants will come as long as there is somebody ready to provide them a job. If the business owners are held accountable with heavy fines and punishment - half the problem is solved and the other half of the problem will gradually come to an end. But such enforcements are not there and are not widely talked about. Easy to blame the illegals when they are looking for betterment of life, while the business owners are lapping in luxury!
Bring the border control, and add in tough enforcement on business that hire illegals - and then you still will have to address the people who are still here illegally. It may not be 12 million, but millions will still remain. That issue has to be addressed. The current president has said that they are to be a given a "path to legality" - pay the fine (yes, it may be trivial in our standards, but not theirs) and get in line. It is not blanket amnesty either.
Most of us in this forum don't support law breaking, at the same time, we have to be practical.....
There is no proof that the new bill will reduce costs at all! It will take many years to realize it anyway. Reform was needed but not at this moment when there were bigger issues that needed fixing in 6-12 months.
What reform was needed first? immigration reform before health reform? lets fix the problems of the foreigners first, and then lets take care of the dying? Does that sound right? Even otherwise, which ever reform the president and the congress had taken, would it have gotten support?
economy is doing well = tax break; economy is not doing well = tax break - does that make sense?
big govt is bad! please vote for me, I want to run for the govt!
education - we don't have much money. defense - we are always under attack, so lets spend more money on 20th century war craft!
list goes on an on.......
Citizenship is not the answer and I'm tired of seeing all immigration bills partial to illegals.
agreed
They should go to the back of the queue and get reform only after legal immigration is fixed.
They should go to the back of the queue and get reform along with legal immigration.
Their supporters are hampering our efforts.
absolutely! wouldn't you? they play the game of leverage and we would do the same.
There are millions of poorer people in Africa and India who need more help. These countries have better farmers too.
If they shared borders with the US, they would have done exactly what the mexicans are doing.
The sad thing that separates our community from theirs is that they stand up for their own people irrespective of wealth. Take our community - of the hundreds who got the green card/citizenship - how many stay to help us? Why are the older generation of Indian immigrants fighting the new comers?
Yes, there lies 1/2 the problem. Illegal immigrants will come as long as there is somebody ready to provide them a job. If the business owners are held accountable with heavy fines and punishment - half the problem is solved and the other half of the problem will gradually come to an end. But such enforcements are not there and are not widely talked about. Easy to blame the illegals when they are looking for betterment of life, while the business owners are lapping in luxury!
Bring the border control, and add in tough enforcement on business that hire illegals - and then you still will have to address the people who are still here illegally. It may not be 12 million, but millions will still remain. That issue has to be addressed. The current president has said that they are to be a given a "path to legality" - pay the fine (yes, it may be trivial in our standards, but not theirs) and get in line. It is not blanket amnesty either.
Most of us in this forum don't support law breaking, at the same time, we have to be practical.....
There is no proof that the new bill will reduce costs at all! It will take many years to realize it anyway. Reform was needed but not at this moment when there were bigger issues that needed fixing in 6-12 months.
What reform was needed first? immigration reform before health reform? lets fix the problems of the foreigners first, and then lets take care of the dying? Does that sound right? Even otherwise, which ever reform the president and the congress had taken, would it have gotten support?
economy is doing well = tax break; economy is not doing well = tax break - does that make sense?
big govt is bad! please vote for me, I want to run for the govt!
education - we don't have much money. defense - we are always under attack, so lets spend more money on 20th century war craft!
list goes on an on.......
Citizenship is not the answer and I'm tired of seeing all immigration bills partial to illegals.
agreed
They should go to the back of the queue and get reform only after legal immigration is fixed.
They should go to the back of the queue and get reform along with legal immigration.
Their supporters are hampering our efforts.
absolutely! wouldn't you? they play the game of leverage and we would do the same.
There are millions of poorer people in Africa and India who need more help. These countries have better farmers too.
If they shared borders with the US, they would have done exactly what the mexicans are doing.
The sad thing that separates our community from theirs is that they stand up for their own people irrespective of wealth. Take our community - of the hundreds who got the green card/citizenship - how many stay to help us? Why are the older generation of Indian immigrants fighting the new comers?
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chanduv23
09-20 11:58 AM
Thanks. I missed you. I think I should have seen you but can't remember. Since morning at least 10 people who i have talked to from Tri-State area asked me if I know where is chanduv23? they just wanted to see the great motivator like you. Please point me to the picture where I can find you. Your posts on the IV forum have been an inspiration for lot of folks. It takes people like you to form a group of wonderful hardworking folks.
Oh Dude, I am in a lot of pics - I will point u to one hang on :) - actually if u look at Sheela Murthy's website, I am behind her when she was giving her speech and I was also behind Aman Kapoor holding the flag when he was giving his pre rally speech - So it is easy to figure out :)
Oh Dude, I am in a lot of pics - I will point u to one hang on :) - actually if u look at Sheela Murthy's website, I am behind her when she was giving her speech and I was also behind Aman Kapoor holding the flag when he was giving his pre rally speech - So it is easy to figure out :)
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gc_nebraska
08-05 11:24 AM
Same here, Iam Dec 2005 and still waiting ..........
I agree - I am December 2005 too - next week I will complete 10 years.
Opened SR yesterday, sent a communication to Senator today, Infopass is on 11th. Let's see what works.
I agree - I am December 2005 too - next week I will complete 10 years.
Opened SR yesterday, sent a communication to Senator today, Infopass is on 11th. Let's see what works.
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amitjoey
12-13 01:47 PM
You can also use the "Invite a friend" feature on the homepage menu to invite other people on this site to register and logon.
Its important that people give us their legit email address that they use regularly. We dont spam people and we send out newsletters very rarely. So you can be assured that we will not fill your inbox with junk or such things. But with valid emails, you can be informed of an ongoing webfax or phone campaigns and be active in such activities.
Very Important and crucial for days like last weekend.
Its important that people give us their legit email address that they use regularly. We dont spam people and we send out newsletters very rarely. So you can be assured that we will not fill your inbox with junk or such things. But with valid emails, you can be informed of an ongoing webfax or phone campaigns and be active in such activities.
Very Important and crucial for days like last weekend.
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akhilmahajan
08-14 03:15 PM
Has anybody been able to find TSC Expedite FAX NUMBER for EAD applications.
GO IV GO.
GO IV GO.
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naushit
07-28 03:47 PM
Wow, I am in exactly same boat, So , basically FP results are blocking EAD card production!!... next renewal, It will paper based EAD.!!
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EAD e-filed: May 27th
Receipt notices received: 1st week of June
FP done: June 19th
Card production ordered LUD: June 28th
Other soft LUDs: July 25th, July 27th
Still waiting...
InfoPass: This morning...07/28/08
Per the guy at the InfoPass counter, the FP report was received on July 24th (which probably explains the July 25th LUD). He said EAD will not be printed or sent out before FP check is complete. In 2007, they did not run FP checks to issue the first EAD after July fiasco.
So could this explain the delay that folks here are seeing? FP Code 2 was done for EAD, so not sure why this should take so long :mad: Maybe I am mistaken, but I thought that only FP Code 3 that's done for I-485 can take a long, long time. Can someone post info on EAD FP checks?
Update: Here's what I have after some quick research on USCIS biometrics:
http://www.immigrationportal.com/archive/index.php/t-191494.html[/QUOTE]
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EAD e-filed: May 27th
Receipt notices received: 1st week of June
FP done: June 19th
Card production ordered LUD: June 28th
Other soft LUDs: July 25th, July 27th
Still waiting...
InfoPass: This morning...07/28/08
Per the guy at the InfoPass counter, the FP report was received on July 24th (which probably explains the July 25th LUD). He said EAD will not be printed or sent out before FP check is complete. In 2007, they did not run FP checks to issue the first EAD after July fiasco.
So could this explain the delay that folks here are seeing? FP Code 2 was done for EAD, so not sure why this should take so long :mad: Maybe I am mistaken, but I thought that only FP Code 3 that's done for I-485 can take a long, long time. Can someone post info on EAD FP checks?
Update: Here's what I have after some quick research on USCIS biometrics:
http://www.immigrationportal.com/archive/index.php/t-191494.html[/QUOTE]
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tooclose
08-03 09:23 PM
When USCIS sent you the RFE notice, you would have seen "Request for Evidence". After USCIS receives your response, you would have seen the hard LUD, while the header is still for RFE. Then after some days (with in 60 days), the header changes to "Request for Evidence Response Review", while the old header "Request for Evidence" vanishes. I was in the same boat like you. I spoke to my attorney's team and they offered me the insight glimpse of working of USCIS.
Well I responded in Oct 2008 and it had RFE status. It didnt change for the past 2 years and it changed to "RFE Review" yesterday. Is this just a coincidence or something to extract out of it ?
Well I responded in Oct 2008 and it had RFE status. It didnt change for the past 2 years and it changed to "RFE Review" yesterday. Is this just a coincidence or something to extract out of it ?
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desi3933
07-11 02:38 PM
My wife got her H1b petition approved but not the change of status, that is she did not get the I94 along with the approval (she was outside the country at the time of approval). I know that she should be going out of the country and get the visa before she can start working. But After some research I found that there is another option, which is filing "amendment petition".
Has anyone done this before. If anyone has done this please share your experiences.
Does she has any H1 visa stamped in her passport?
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Not a legal advice.
Has anyone done this before. If anyone has done this please share your experiences.
Does she has any H1 visa stamped in her passport?
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Not a legal advice.
factoryman
06-20 11:15 PM
Going by the discussions over there (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/18/22435/0365), my gut feeling is all PERM cases will be reviewed, in one form or other.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU
My employer filed Labor 90 days after the job posting (6 months after I initiated the process, this is after being screwed by my previous employer for 2 years)...Labor was aproved in less than 45 hours!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU
My employer filed Labor 90 days after the job posting (6 months after I initiated the process, this is after being screwed by my previous employer for 2 years)...Labor was aproved in less than 45 hours!!!
vishwak
02-15 10:53 AM
Please excuse my ignorance but what is a "red-eye" ?
There is a flight leaving BWI airport by 9:15p - I guess that may be a good option?
What are the options to travel from BWI Airport to IV gathering point?
Red EYE.... Red-eye flight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-eye_flight)
If you are going back to West Coast, they are not called RedEye flights.
There is a flight leaving BWI airport by 9:15p - I guess that may be a good option?
What are the options to travel from BWI Airport to IV gathering point?
Red EYE.... Red-eye flight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-eye_flight)
If you are going back to West Coast, they are not called RedEye flights.