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  • hpandey
    06-14 12:40 PM
    To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.

    Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.

    In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.

    In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.

    You have got the same Indian mentality that most of the people here that once we got a GC and citizenship let us close the doors behind us. Just because you got lucky and got your GC in time and are now applying for Citizenship you are saying that all others who come after you are not as qualified as you or "best and the brightest" .

    For your knowledge I see a lot of intelligent people everyday from all walks of life - Indians, Americans, Chinese, Russians etc etc. A person does not becomhe intelligent by the number of degrees he has but by the logic sense that he has and how he applies to his daily life.

    Who are you to judge the people coming after you that they are not skilled or the best and brightest.

    I don't wish bad for anyone but if you are saying retrogression is good then beware you are wishing for the curse of a lot of people who have been unfairly standing in the queue for 8 - 10 years while a lot of people from 2006 got their GC.





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  • lskreddy
    04-23 03:24 PM
    Unless the requirements said Bachelors plus five years experience will be accepted in lieu of Masters, the labor substitution is a risk. The people who go through these files go by rules and I think they are advised not to use any logical reasoning. It certainly would be risky to go for substitution unless you can produce what is needed.

    Experience certificates are probably scrutinized in a less stringent way but education is a no-brainer and they might not approve. Ofcourse, I am not a lawyer, spend a couple of hundred with reputed lawyers. This might save a lot of grief later.

    BTW, what does the employer's lawyer say? Don't they have one.





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  • alisa
    02-18 12:51 PM
    I can only give examples from personal life. My personal examples lead me to believe that a lot of people, though aware of retrogression, are unaware of what it really means.

    Six months ago, I thought that there was nobody opposing EB-based visa numbers. And I was pretty certain that my greencard would be handed to me in a few years.

    Then I learnt about IV. And I learnt about the problems.
    Then I tried to tell my friends about it at work. And the first reactions were 'Is the situation really that bad'?

    So, there is definitely a huge group of people who don't know what retrogression really means, and how screwed they really are.


    But again, these are personal examples. Maybe yours (people knowing about retrogression, and still not bothering about contributing/participating in IV) might have led you to a different conclusion.


    I respect your opinion ...but I refuse to believe that people are ignorant...





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  • smuggymba
    08-02 09:52 AM
    Guys! This is getting interesting. Guess what I found!! Now you can find out the names of your local friendly Amway Independent Business owners!!!

    Go to https://www.amway.com/Shop/Registration/CustomerRegistration.aspx?Country=US

    Scroll down to the section titled "Benefits of Being Affiliated with an Independent Business Owner", select "Show me a list of IBOs in my area that I can select from".... put your zip code and voila!!!!

    I put my own zipcode 94536, and most of the names are desi. Confirms my suspicion that there are more desi's sucked into this than........

    Now post what you find in your area!

    Totally coincidental but all of IBO's in my zip code are Chinese. I know 2-3 desis myself who approached me in walmart and ikea.



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  • snram4
    01-17 10:14 AM
    Even if it is ok to fight how much resource IV have it to fight multiple issues. Resource means not just money but also time, manpower and effort. Most of the issues can be resolved if EB reform is done as people need not renew H1b as most can get GC within 3 years. Law clearly tells that there should be valid job position for H1b at the time of filing. For consulting bodyshoppers will bring persons here and search for job. That is clearly violation of law.
    But certainly it can be requested to USCIS to change if geneunie persons are impacted. If memorendum is violation of law then USCIS will face lawsuit and you can also do that



    There is no such requirement for fresh H1B as well as renewal as per Law. That is why we call it an ILLEGAL memo. We all need to fight this together.

    NB: I am not a specialist in law





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  • Legal
    07-21 10:55 PM
    http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/LPR_FR_2007.pdf

    (AC21). This Act resulted in the recapture of 130,107 unused employment-based visa numbers from 1999 and 2000 to be made available to first, second, and third preference employment-based immigrants once the annual limit had been reached. Approximately 94,000 of those recaptured visa numbers were used in 2005, none were used in 2006, and 7,312 were used in 2007



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  • rajsenthil
    09-04 12:24 PM
    1. Rasu Devan
    2. Kenkai ammal
    3. Gandhi mathi (lady only).

    Please all do pray for the poor souls.

    My condolence to them. But I beg to differ that people dying unnecessarily is not a good sign of development.

    Let their soul rest in peace.

    Edited: Ooops, I think misread your post.





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  • NKR
    02-15 04:15 PM
    Human nature is what tends to create the monopoly. That's the reason for having laws, we know favorism will always exist but a law would prevent it from going over the limit. The way you want it we'll have whites-only-business, asians-only-business and so on..
    When you are tired of this discussion you should ask to stop the ones who started it saying their people are better and brighter than others and hence deserve larger immigration volume, before you ask to stop the people who answer them.

    I beleive that there should be more representation of people from other countries in desi companies, but when more number of desis apply for jobs. Is it any fault of the company is they are hiring only them?.



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  • BharatPremi
    07-13 02:04 AM
    And Do you (canadian wanna be) have any clue that to get respected salary and position you will be forced by illiterate Canadians to have "Professional Engineering Certificates"... It will suck blood out of your body for 5 years... So just do not read "Greener Side" of Canadian Immigration... I know it may not be applicable to all but more or less most of will have to face the same music in their careers. My all Canadian friends and relatives want to be Americans.. Only some of them practically could proceed for that.. After some stage of life it becomes hard to move families.. That is the reason they are facing now to take decision and simultaneously do not want to live in Canada anymore.. If you have 101 fever it will take 1 month to have Doctor's appointment... GST.. Higher taxes.. statistically there are chances "Most of members of this forum - Canadian Wanna Be" will have less promotions and/or increments in salary eventhough they will find themselves most skilled wherever they will work. Top posts would be the dream for most of you guys unless you start your own business.. if you understand what I am trying to tell... In USA it is not that way.... Having said this I can not say that everybody will experience the same what I am trying to portray but most fo them will.





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  • unitednations
    02-18 09:59 PM
    Aiming London shooting Tokyo that's what your reasoning looks like. There's no point in arguing\discussing based on such logic.

    You are not a messenger, you are a opponent of 485 measure, I think there is a big and clear difference between both.

    If 485 measure is not of much help, I wonder why all the poeple who have applied for 485 keep wasting there time and money renewing there EAD every year.


    Please lay out why they should allow 485 filing that is in USA benefit and the employer who is sponsoring you benefit. Employment base is not a humanitarian base greencard.

    I will list the reasons people use and then the arguments people would use against you and then you can counter it.

    1) 485 filing will allow me to change my job or get promoted and I won't be tied to my employer

    ----it is employer base system. you are supposed to work with them permanently. nothing in the law stops you from changing employers. Just get them to file another h-1b for you; get the new employer or position to file another labor for you.

    ----but the new employer I have won't file greencard or h-1b/

    ----looks like they don't need a foreigner. if they did then they would do it for you wouldnt they?

    ----i want to go back to school.

    ----get an f-1

    -----the uncertainty is killing me

    -----lucky you are allowed to stay here and wait and work. others have to wait outside usa until their number is called. you can go back home and wait for your number to get called - like spouses of greencard holders; siblings of u.s. citizens; over 21 year old children of u.s. citizens.

    -----I want to change to a totally new profession

    -----You are getting a greencard because a specific employer needs you on a permanent basis don't they? Looks like you don't have intention to work permanently for them. Nothing is stopping another employer to file a greencard for you.

    ----but i can't work for them because the job won't qualify for h-1b and they won't wait five years for the quota to get current to employ me.

    -----how come employers aren't lobbying for you? if they have to wait 5 years for you then why are we not hearing from them?

    2) I want my spouse to work. they are underutilized.

    ---- Did you know that it is a non working visa? EB greencard is to control the number of workers coming into the workforce and to not flood the market


    3) the intention of ac21 was to be free and clear of your employer after 180 days of filing.

    -------no, not really; once your number comes up and it is in the quota and we don't adjudicate it within 180 days then you can change. We still need to control the workforce and determine how many people we want to let in.
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    One thing everyone loses sight of is that EB greencard is not humanitarian greencard. It is specific to an employer. One way to look at it is that you are not underprivileged because you are allowed to stay here and work and wait whereas other immigrant wannabes do not have that luxury.

    Now before people start raning; you need to figure out how it is in the country and employer benefit for you to get the greencard or file a 485. Your reasons cannot be against the nature and purpose of employment base greencard. If it is then it doesn't have much merit within the current law.



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  • Lisap
    02-12 01:19 PM
    Whether unused visa in EB-3 Row will go to EB3 India?



    I am a little unclear on all of the retrogression ect. But can someone please explain how EB3 ROW can be retrogressed and not use all of the visa numbers in a year? That doesnt even make sense to me? Would someone please shed some light?





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  • pappu
    07-02 06:07 PM
    We are starting a media drive from tomorrow on visa bulletin.
    Before we post all the details and how to's

    we need help from members to:

    - post some email templates specific to this visa bulletin and our cause. Mention IV name several times in the template so that the reporter can contact us.

    - Someone please collect a list of the reporters from pervious media drives , make a file and post it here.

    Let us get this background work done tonight and from tomorrow morning we will start this drive with a bang.
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    http://www.mydatabus.com/myFiles.php?pt=createLink&fn=Media.xls
    members can post other email addresses on the thread so that everyone can write emails



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  • addsf345
    05-29 04:22 PM
    We all need to concentrate on being united. No point in pulling down others. This is typical behavior of Indian attitude. Do you think you will get your GC faster if EB1 abuse stops??? I would say no, we would be still stuck in the same shit hole for another 10 years. Why waste energy on this??? We should rather work on more constructive action items.

    Our main problem is 7% quota for India, China and other retrogressed countries is simply not enough. We need some relief in any possible way.

    Sometime back i did suggest an idea of working towards a separate Quota (not counted towards 140,000) for Masters/PhD students. That horse was beaten to death.

    Lets think more positive and list down all actions that we could work.

    To start with i suggest on having a separate quota (not counted towards 140,000) for Masters/PhD students. That should ease most of the pain.

    If anybody has other bright ideas, feel free

    Channel your outrage on a positive action item

    still ppl feel pulling others lag would get them GC - this commnity can never be united!:confused:





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  • rkg000
    09-04 08:14 AM
    True_facts, you cannot denigrate dead people. I know you are coward, because you cant say what you can say with your own ID. Go to every village in AP, people are better off now than 5 years ago,that's YSR's legacy. YSR improved irrigation, infrastructure across state and percapita income in state.

    Corruption, particularly in India, is like a software, which only gets better with every release. YSR took the corruption to a level unknown till now, I bet he'd put lalloo to shame. What development are you talking about. Don't you hear increase in inflation, or farmers suicide or land grabbing. If you haven't visited Hyderabad recently, you better do it soon, else by the time you visit next time you won't see hussain saagar, but a few multiplxes or luxury homes instead. I'm sure in the next release (read CB Naidu becoming CM), he might take it to a whole new level.



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  • perm2gc
    08-03 04:19 PM
    The Labour substitution is good option for few but not many. The process should be totally elimindate so that FIFO people will have a fair chance.Their only few people who really are need of it but 99% are fraudant people.





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  • poorslumdog
    09-04 12:26 PM
    Pappu,
    You should have guts to reveal the ID of this Insider who is misusing his power to expose personal details of IV members.....Is this what what you mean maintaining confidentialty of Individual members????

    You and me are just another free loaders. What IV is going to lose if move out. add some value before you start threatening.:D



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  • snthampi
    07-30 11:58 PM
    Gave you green for making me laugh. I am adding step 8.

    8. When they ask you what you do in your free time tell them you watch porn and ma***te :eek:
    :D:D:p:D Very funny. I just love this thread. For a moment we can forget about the stupid GC fiasco.





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  • lazycis
    02-13 12:03 PM
    Lawsuits do work. Apparently nobody checked the links I posted on page 1 so here are a few examples:

    USCIS Settlement Notices and Agreements

    American Baptist Churches v. Thornburgh (ABC) Settlement Agreement

    Barahona-Gomez v Ashcroft

    CSS

    LULAC (Newman)

    Ngwanyia v Gonzalez (Asylee Adjustment Case)

    Notice of Proposed Settlement Agreement and Hearing in Kaplan, Et Al. v. Chertoff, Et Al., Civil Action No. 06-5304 in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania

    Notice to Persons Whose Naturalization Applications Were Denied by the Seattle, Spokane or Yakima Immigration Service

    Proyecto San Pablo v INS

    Ramos v Chertoff (02 C 8266, Northern District, Illinois)

    Walters v Reno


    Settlement Agreement Signed! Details available by clicking here. --2/9/05
    IMPLEMENTATION OF NGWANYIA (ASYLEE ADJUSTMENT CASE) SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT Ngwanyia v. Gonzales, No. 02-502 (RHK) (D. Minn).
    If you were granted asylum in the United States and have a pending application for adjustment of status, this settlement applies to you. Please refer to http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/NgwanyiaVGonzales.PDF In recent years immigration law had allowed only 10, 000 asylees per year to adjust their status to Lawful Permanent Residents. Under the settlement agreement, United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) will process an additional 31,000 asylee adjustments during the next three years. During fiscal year 2005, ending September 30, 2005, USCIS will process 8,000 of the additional 31,000, bringing the total number adjusted for the year to 18,000. USCIS will process at least 8,000 of the 31,000 during fiscal year 2006, (October 1, 2005 to September 30, 2006) with the remaining additional applications being processed in fiscal year 2007 (October 1, 2006 to September 30, 2007). The settlement also provides that asylees who have a pending application for adjustment of status may renew their employment authorization document (EAD) by requesting a multi-year EAD with a validity of up to five years. The multi-year EAD must be prepaid for the number of years requested. The cost of the multi-year EAD will be less than the cost of annual renewals by at least $20 per year. A requests for a fee waiver, if applicable, may be made pursuant to 8 C.F.R. � 103.7(c) Cost of multi-year EAD: 1 year card - $175.00 2 year card - $330.00 3 year card - $485.00





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